Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Are You There, God? It's Me, Manager Mom

So, did you do anything fun this weekend? Because I think I managed to turn a dinner party invitation into a one-way ticket to Hell.

The dinner was at my next door neighbor's house, which would normally not be blogworthy except that she also happens to be the priest of the local Episcopal church. There were seven of us there; the others were very funny and cool, and we were having good get-to-know-you cocktail hour chitchat.

We moved from topics like golf, taxes, and pot-smoking neighborhood teens on to politics. Emboldened by a few gin and tonics (you wouldn't think a priest would pour such stiff drinks, but you would be thinking wrong) and never one to err on the side of good judgement, I made a joke about how you weren't supposed to talk about politics or religion at a dinner party but that since we already covered politics, we might as well go there with the religion.

I then proceeded to tell the story about how after The Girl was born, I met with the local priest about having her baptized, and he spent the whole time hassling me about how I never go to church and why did I want to get her baptized anyway when I'm such a horrible Catholic? And then on the day of the ceremony, he forgot to show up, leaving our family cooling their heels in the church until I found him in the rectory more than an hour later.

Midway through the story, I started to have that feeling I have where I'm dreaming of being in a public place and I look down at myself and realize that I'm TOTALLY NAKED, and then everyone starts pointing at me and laughing.

And that freaked me out MORE, so I went on to apologize, and then to babble about how I have issues because my parents used to fight a lot about religion, and the whole time there's a running commentary in my head in which I alternate repeatedly thinking the Lord's name in vain with disbelief that I told my mean priest story to a ROOM FULL OF PRIESTS.

Luckily, one of the other guests made a joke about how it's pretty hard to shock an Episcopalian these days, and my neighbor busted out some cake and everyone was able to move on from my moment of oversharing.

But the next morning I woke up with a slight hangover and a heaping helping of piping hot Catholic guilt, because I was forced to confront what a massive failure I've been in the spiritual guidance department.

I did TRY to take them back to Mean Priest's church a few years ago, but he made us go sit in a soundproof cube area where The Boy (who was three at the time) managed to find a stray gummy worm underneath one of the pews. I can only hope that the rest of the parishoners were more entertained than the priest was by the sight of me frantically digging through the kid's mouth, trying to get the fossilized floor candy before he could swallow it.

Bottom line, it's long overdue for us to give the kids some spiritual grounding. Therefore, I have decided to go church-shopping.

I have high hopes that somewhere within a 10-mile radius, I'll find a nice, progressive, Christian-esque church that won't judge us too harshly if we skip the occasional mass for a soccer game, and that vacuums their floors on a more regular basis.

In the meantime, please feel free to post comments with ideas for my family's salvation. I should have some time to review them on Sunday.

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52 comments:

Kevin McKeever said...

We're in the same boat ... to hell. We never even had Thing 2 baptized (we tried by Thing 1's health and non-committal godparents keep doing us in).

I think you can have spiritual grounding outside a box with a cross on it. Share your beliefs and doubts with the kids, find miracles in everyday things, and live by a moral life by example, not by the threats of firey hell.

OK, YOU may be in trouble on that last point ... but every day is a new start. Peace be with you, MM.

~Swankymama said...

I agree with "Always home and uncool." Although I do think it is important to find a church home (for growth, family emergencies, health support, etc.) I also think you can share your faith with your kids at home and live a good example for them.

Congratulations for taking such a big step and I know you will find just the right place!

Tess said...

God, I am the worst Catholic ever, but I know I'm not the only one because "our" church has like 30,000 members, and that place is TINY so you know they're getting like .01% weekly turnout.

True story: when I had my first communion, I turned around after receiving the wafer and make a HUGE "EWW" FACE. My mom was MORTIFIED. I'd say she still prays for me to this day.

Anonymous said...

You go, Manager Mom! You've every right in the world to tell the "mean priest" story. What the hell is wrong with him? Having worked closely with only the best and studied pastoral care out the wahzoo, I can tell you that he, whoever he might be, is an ASS and deserves whatever he gets.

Telling that story to a group of Episcopalian priests, now that is priceless.

Good luck in your search. I agree that the spiritual dimension of life is very important to the rest of it.

Adriane said...

Made you sit in a big plastic cube? Was it to keep sin from leaking out? That just strikes me as the funniest mental image ever, but I'm sure it was some kind of Catholic child quieting and containment unit, but still...

I wish you luck on finding a church that is comfortable, spiritually stimulating and good to your family!

stalkermom said...

Loved this!

meg said...

good luck! our "church" consists of sitting around drinking coffee, reading the sunday paper and discussing how we should really motivate off the couch and to the church that is just steps away from our house. we're accepting new members if you'd like to join us.

Alice said...

Sounds like my kind of dinner! Stiff gin & tonics and mean priest stories. The priest that married my husband and me was a bitter, bitter old man.

Can't help you on the church front as I've thrown off the religious mantle. Good luck!

The Girl Next Door said...

Great story - as a recovering Catholic, I understand the whole guilt thing. We have been many religions based on where we've lived - Methodist in the South, Presbyterian in mid-state, baptist when we first moved "home" and now the kids and I [the Ex stopped attending church after he decided we should leave his home church - go figure] attend a non-denominational church run by an amazing man and group of people who, although biblically based, manage NOT to pass judgment on anyone. Ever. Even Larry King couldn't get our Pastor to judge or make any statement about homosexuality. It's like a mixture of Episcopalian, Catholic, methodist, and who knows what else. We love it. I hope you can find something similar. And living the Word is much more important than Stand-Sit-Kneel-Stand-Sit-Kneel, Genuflect....

Alice said...

my parents are both self-titled "lapsed catholics," so i grew up with no spiritual anything, never went to church, easter was a holiday where the bunny brought candy, etc. it's only a problem when i'm in catholic weddings and don't know when to sit / stand and don't know the words to all the psalms and stuff that everyone sings along too. so normally i just stand up front and try to look serene while not singing or reciting. it's.. uh.. awkward.

Manager Mom said...

Alice - you reminded me of when my friend got married, and it was a Catholic ceremony, and we were all not totally sure of the sit-stand-kneel thing either.

And so when the priest raised his hand to bless them after the exchange of vows, we all raised our hands too... and it was like the classic psych "backwards elevator" experiment, where everyone on the bride's side followed suit, until half of the church had one arm outstretched as if they were saluting a speaker at some sort of neo-Nazi youth convention.

I don't think she ordered any of those pictures for her scrapbook.

Nowheymama said...

In college I was a nursery worker at an Episcopal church. They knew how to party, for sure!

Good luck church shopping! It can take awhile, especially in the summertime when priests/ministers go on vacation and there are substitutes in the pulpit.

Anonymous said...

Ever since I denounced religion and declared myself an atheist, I've been happier than I've ever been in my life, except possibly when I went to my Christian summer camp as a kid.

I wouldn't know what I would do with kids if I had them. They need to get a grounded sense of morality, but I don't know of a good alternative to a church. Wishing you luck with your quest!

Audubon Ron said...

The real Bible truth, once saved always saved. Going to church DOESN’T get you any closer to heaven. It’s there for communion with fellow believers. NO church holds the keys to the kingdom. That’s what the Reformation was all about.

I don’t go to church. Haven’t for a long time because I would sit for a sermon and then stand on the church steps after listening to people bad mouth each other in the worst way.

Catch my Pastor Feel G posts and you’ll be okay.

Jenn @ Juggling Life said...

No help here--we've always worshipped at the Altar of Youth Sports!

JackeeG4glamorous said...

Thanks for viewing and leaving a comment on my blog! I hope you'll be back!
I'm driving the bus to hell if you want a ride, AND get this, I chair the local Catholic Church parish council! Are you DONE laughing? What I've learned in my vast (ha)experience is this, religion is deep in your heart, church is in the eyes of many men (and women) find a church that you feel comfortable with! It's so very important for all the family. My local Catholic Church has an old but very liberal priest, who is a blast, and let's all attend without judgement. But not all are like that. Shop around.
Stop back by to my blog you are a hoot! I'll bookmark you.

JackeeG4glamorous said...

Oh, and True Story: I once curse a priest for makeing snotty eyes at my son who was the young altar boy. He dropped down dead later that day, and my kids thought I was a witch with real powers. Don't cross me with your snotty eyes! Take that!

Ann said...

JUST discovered you and want to publicly say that I think I immediately love you - in a totally platonic, fellow-blogstress sort of way.

When I was a kid, I would sneak out of the sermon into the church lobby to read the Readers Digest instead, bc it made more sense to me. Then, my Mom would furiously drag me back into the sermon. So, I kinda get your feeling about church - ya think? Needless to say, I don't attend church.

I too am a chronic oversharer. There should be a support group for this. Or, a deodorant.

Anonymous said...

I too have a habit of oversharing, though not with priests.

I'm no help on the salvation thing, since I haven't gone to church since I was about 10, but I kind of respect Unitarians these days. They're the Type B of religion it seems like. Even a fallen catholic may scoff at the idea, though.

Anti-Supermom said...

Piping hot Catholic guilt, I get that too and I don't consider myself Catholic anymore!

I'm still church shopping too. Yeah, good luck with that or should I say 'many blessings'.

Mary Alice said...

#1, Our loving pet name isn't Whiskcopalians for nothing...most Episcopalians can mix a drink that will leave you pounding your chest and gasping.."smooth"

#2. We don't really do guilt. A very open minded bunch we are. I'm sure your priest neighbor was in no way horrified by your story!

Signed,
Mary Alice
A third generation whiskopalian!

Mary Alice said...

#1, Our loving pet name isn't Whiskcopalians for nothing...most Episcopalians can mix a drink that will leave you pounding your chest and gasping.."smooth"

#2. We don't really do guilt. A very open minded bunch we are. I'm sure your priest neighbor was in no way horrified by your story!

Signed,
Mary Alice
A third generation whiskopalian!

Kristin said...

Please, I ran into our Priest at the bank yesterday and he was all, "Haven't seen you around my child..."

So, I can't help you, but I look forward to spending eternity with you in hell. ;-)

The Cheap Chick said...

I used to be a reeeeaaaaaaaly good Catholic, until the priest I liked retired, only to be replaced by the priest with NO ABILITY TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC.

Wouldn't one of the priestly things they teach you in priest school would be how to speak in public. Seeing as how it's, oh, 99.9999% of YOUR JOB??????

So my only advice is to check out the homilies before you sign up. If the man or woman can't speak worth a darn, move on.

Swistle said...

My favorite part is where you start to explain about your parents. Ha ha ha ha ha! ...I mean, sorry, that must have sucked. (ha ha ha ha ha ha---funny, thought!)

Mrs. G. said...

I'm not a church going woman, so you don't want to hang your hopes on me. Twelve years of daily mass was enough for me.

Anonymous said...

Anyone that bought herself a one-way ticket to hell by telling a joke to a priest at a dinner party is A.Ok with me! That is definitely something I would inadvertently do :)

I have no advice on the church front and I haven't stepped in one voluntarily for anything other than weddings or baptisms in my entire life. To each their own...though I really liked the way always home and uncool stated it.

ConverseMomma said...

oh honey, I've been there. I baptised my daughter in her underwear and hot pink socks, because I left the family christening, handmade by the family matriarch heirloom dress at home, an hour away from my parent's church. We go to mass when grandpa whips up enough guilt to make me feel like I'll burn in hell if I don't, but I swear I sit there and just try and picture what the priest would look like naked. Sorry, I can't be more helpful.

262mom said...

I am a recovering catholic. Sure are lots of pedophiles in the catholic church to be so holy, IMO. Can't say that I have hIad tons of luck elsewhere. My current problem with "christians" is their judgment of others' choices to make themselves feel better about their own. Besides, Sunday is my only morning to sleep in.

Banana said...
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Banana said...

I am always the the one who tells innapropriate stories at dinner parties. The nervous laughter and a too long explination often follow.

Gina said...

I've been told that salvation has nothing to do with church attendance and I believe it.

I gave up on the Catholic church after the priest forgot to show up for my grandfather's funeral and when I called him told me to "get a Bible from the funeral home and read something from it."

I've been searching for a new one since we moved almost two years ago. It's not easy. There are many good ones out there but there are also some shockingly bad ones. Good luck.

Black Sheeped said...

I'm super intrigued by the sound proof cube. As in, I would WANT to sit in it. Or sit outside it, and watch everyone else IN it, and be jealous. Also: do churches normally have sound proof cubes? I have never heard of this.

Explain!

Bijoux said...

My solution..........find yourself a Rock & Roll church like we attend. No hymns or liturgy, just the band playing. And you can drink coffee the whole time and wear shorts. It's "Jesus without the crap" and my teen actually enjoy going!

JoeinVegas said...

I was raised a Catholic too, but when I got old enough to think for myself and moved out of the house I gave it up. It's all inside you, if you feel better doing it then go, if not then don't feel bad. It's really between you and your God.

h said...

Grrrherhahahahhahahaha! Funny stuff but it really does amaze me how many people raised Catholic continue to be Catholicesque throughout their lives. Even when disagreeing with 90% of what that religion teaches.

Chelle said...

As a fellow-Fallen-Away Catholic, I can relate to your angst. Oh, I intend to take the kids to church each week but, as you know, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and it would appear that I am doing most of the paving, myself.

My daughter kind of brought the guilt to the fore-front for me this year; when I announced my intention to give up chocolate for Lent, she questioned why in the world I would need to diet for Jesus.

I realized at that moment just what a spectacular failure I have been in the religious role-model portion of the parenting program.

Maggie, Dammit said...

You should just start your own church. I would totally go.

SciFi Dad said...

Baptized, raised, and educated Roman Catholic here.

Presently agnostic after leaving the faith as a teenager when told "You shouldn't ask questions like that" by my parish priest when I suggested that Allah, Yahweh and God were the same entity.

My wife is a non-church going believer in the United faith.

Our daughter is not baptized, and probably never will be, because my wife doesn't feel right baptizing her and having me go to church as an agnostic. (I have no issue with going and teaching our daughter about the Christian faith; it's my wife's issue.)

Bottom line: for us, we raise our kid to be a good Christian without the explicit reverence for Jesus. (In other words, we teach honesty, trust, empathy, sympathy, compassion, and all the other good stuff; we just don't make her wear a crucifix or go to mass.)

Sarah said...

I used to have a "look busy" T-shirt. I wore it often.
I currently go to St. Matress on Sunday so I cannot help you. I'm a very bad Catholic.

JCK said...

Finding a church that you feel comfortable in and that does not feel judgemental is important. I grew up not going to church, but my husband and I found an Episcopal church here in California that is amazing. I find incredible support there and also great intellectual stimulation - especially needed when you are a parent of young children. However, one of the best things is the children's Sunday School program. My kids love it. And I love the idea of them learning to have other sources to turn to besides their parents when they are older. We have a lot of former Catholics at our church. They like to call us Catholic Lite. Good luck in your valiant quest! It may take a while.

Wenderina said...

You can check out my own view on religion here: http://anxiousmoments.blogspot.com/2007/10/holy-holy-holy.html

Wish you luck in finding a church that still welcomes faith, love, acceptance, and embarrassing moments.

katydidnot said...

alright, so my parents are catholic. and i kind of wasn't into it. always had a stomachache. then when i was like 29 i started going to mass, i finally did my first communion and confirmation when i was 32. i'm 35 now and haven't really been back to mass since i was confirmed. i don't know why. whatev.

Saly said...

Thank you for commenting at my post....we are in the same boat, churchwise. We have been to mass once in the past year or so because it is impossible with a 2 and 4-year-old. I have the catholic guilt because I feel like our baby to be will not be able o be baptized due to our laziness.

Christine G. said...

We left our episcopal church when our priest retired. And yes, he could pour a mean drink... he was australian and once i had him over to discuss the website. i asked if he wanted tea, and he responded "only if it is Australian Tea..." meaning Beer.

Our new pastor at that church is more of a buddhist than an episcopalian. so much so that my rather socially liberal self couldn't figure out what her deal was and i started to hate church. We quit going for 3 years and just started going back to a local presbyterian church. and we're having a blast there. the pastor went to high school with my husband, in pittsburgh PA... four states and two decades ago. So it was funny to stumble across him.

In essence -- there is a church out there for everyone, even if church is at home talkin' bout religion and stuff with the kids.

thanks for coming by my journal and leaving a comment on the boyscout camp out (i typed coma instead of camp... wow).

BusyDad said...

Funny! The extent of my Catholicism is that I was baptized. I failed out of Sunday School before 1st communion. Yes, it's possible to fail sunday school. My wife is catholic and we also had to go shopping because the first church wanted me to take REMEDIAL Sunday School to get my kid baptized. Yes, that exists! Finally we found a church that would do it for $50 and no additional schooling (kind of like those smog check stations that will pass you as long as you pay). So I guess my son is certified now, or something.

Caffienated Cowgirl said...

Can't even tell you how hard I laughed at this post :) You're not alone! We took our little man to Notre Dame the other day and he saw the pictures/statues of Jesus and said "who is that?"...perhaps we should start going to church again :)

Kalynne Pudner said...

Hahahaaa to the dinner party story! And shame on the priest who forgot to show up for the baptism. Shame on priests who bully parishioners with children into sitting into the cry room (with nine kids, I've certainly encountered my share of those). Shame on all the other priests who've managed to alienate the people commenting here.

Excuse me, though, while I buck the trend. I'm a CONVERT to Catholicism, from the agnosticism in which I was raised, by the grace of God and the study of philosophy, through which I fell in love with truth. The trick is, you have to look beyond the behavior of some of the priests and parishioners to the actual goods.

(Ooh, I feel TOTALLY NAKED without my sarcasm...y'all are going to start pointing and laughing any moment, I'm sure.)

Ice Cream said...

I don't even need liquor to make such a fool of myself at parties. For some reason I just always assume that people will totally get what I'm saying and see it from my point of view, and then all too late I realize how stupid I was to expect that.

Hey, anytime you want to talk religion, drop me an email.

Ms. Moon said...

Here's my advice- read as much of the Bible ON YOUR OWN as you can handle. Realize the deep, deep problem with trying to base a religion on this. Explore other religions. Realize they are all based on myth and hope and weirdness. And trying to control people.
Read or listen to Julia Sweeney's Letting Go Of God. Laugh your ass off.
Then live your life as you know it should be lived, not based on someone else's bizarre moral code.
Your children will learn from you. They will be fine.

Anonymous said...

no salvation available form us heathens I am afraid :-)!

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone gave you any churches to try??? I happen to love our church, minus the fact that it's in Greenwich, Kathy Lee has been known to attend, and it doesn't have a building! My Catholic husband calls it "Showtime at the Apollo" because, in his words, "there's karaoke at the beginning (a full band with some rock-ish type of music), the 'priest' is up there cracking jokes like an emcee, and there's happy hour afterward (coffee and doughnuts)!"-the kid's program is amazing. Hundreds of them! Good luck! http://www.trinitychurchonline.org/